Sunday, February 23, 2014

The Vast Transparent Dimension

Jackson Peterson
Master Hui Hai's Teaching on Sudden Enlightenment
by Jackson Peterson on Saturday, 23 February 2013 at 00:06 ·

Question: That which occurs when we are confronted by all sorts of shapes and forms is called perception. Can we speak of perception taking place when nothing confronts us?
Answer: Yes

Question: When something confronts us, it follows that we perceive it, but how can there be perception when we are confronted by nothing all?

Answer: We are now talking of that perception which is independent of there being an object or not. How can that be? The nature of perception being eternal, we ago on perceiving whether objects are present or not. Thereby we come to understand that , whereas objects naturally appear and disappear, the nature of perception does neither of those things; and it is the same with all your other senses.

Question: When there are sounds, hearing occurs. When there are no sounds, does hearing persist or not?

Answer: It does.

Question: If that is so, who or what is the hearer?

Answer: It is your own nature which hears and it is the inner cognizer who knows.
"Though it follows the current of circumstances its nature is unchanging"

Question: How may we perceive our own Buddha Nature?

Answer: That which "perceives" is your own Buddha Nature, without it there could be no perception.
Like · · November 21, 2013 at 5:44pm

    Soh This understanding is like the I AM/Eternal Witness.
    November 21, 2013 at 7:55pm · Like · 1
    Jackson Peterson Not really., it's simply describing the sentient aspect of unestablished aware presence.
    November 21, 2013 at 8:39pm · Like
    Soh it is an immediate apprehension of Awareness that is later reified into a changeless knower. Precisely what I mean by I AM/Eternal Witness
    November 22, 2013 at 7:37am · Like · 1
    Soh aware presence is everchanging knowing-known without knower
    November 22, 2013 at 7:38am · Like · 1
    Dhruval Patel Sometimes the language is ambiguous, but this is clearly a mistaken view...

    "Question: If that is so, who or what is the hearer?
    Answer: It is your own nature which hears and it is the inner cognizer who knows.
    "Though it follows the current of circumstances its nature is unchanging"

    Why separately mention an "inner cognizer" and ones true nature ?
    November 22, 2013 at 9:32am · Like
    Jackson Peterson Because our nature is pure Consciousness. It can't be "reified" into a knower. "Knower" is just a concept appearing in that which cannot be reified. Rigpa can't be reified. How does one reify empty space? It's not possible to reify aware knowing likewise.
    November 22, 2013 at 9:26pm · Like · 1
    Jackson Peterson Soh, nothing has ever been reified. Reification is an illusion. Illusions can't condition the "unborn". How does one reify empty space?
    November 22, 2013 at 9:28pm · Like · 1
    Soh That is precisely what reification is all abt...not there but reified as "there"
    November 23, 2013 at 5:22am · Edited · Like · 3
    Jackson Peterson What "there"?
    November 23, 2013 at 5:23am · Like
    Soh Seeing a true self as truly there or seeing an unborn empty space as changelessly there and existing.
    November 23, 2013 at 5:48am · Like · 3
    Jackson Peterson That's all imputation Soh, not direct "imputation free" Seeing. Those words describe a non- imputed, non-conceptual gnostic moment. That's the nature of reality when seen nakedly free of all conceptual constructions and free of a self-mind that imputes.
    November 23, 2013 at 7:49am · Like · 1
    Soh That nonconceptual gnostic moment will later be reified in terms of a changeless subject due to persistent strength of karmic conditioning
    November 23, 2013 at 7:55am · Like · 1
    Jackson Peterson Yes, that usually happens doesn't it? Hence two-fold emptiness needs to be a thorough penetration of deep insight. But there should be no notion of a "changeless subject" in any case. There is no subject that "doesn't change".,,
    November 23, 2013 at 8:00am · Like · 1
    Soh But didnt you say that there is an aware presence that is what you are and doesnt change?
    November 23, 2013 at 8:04am · Like · 4
    Jackson Peterson The "aware presence" that we are is impersonal non-subjectivity Soh, as Thrangu says, we are "pure awareness". Recognizing this is rigpa. That is the 8th step in your paradigm that only includes 7 steps or levels.
    November 23, 2013 at 7:23pm · Like
    Soh By conceiving aware presence as "what you are", that is precisely reifing awareness into a subject. By conceiving aware presence as changeless, that is precisely what is meant by reifying awareness into a changeless subject.
    November 23, 2013 at 7:53pm · Like · 3
    Soh I AMness is stage 1, one mind is stage 4
    November 23, 2013 at 7:54pm · Like
    Jackson Peterson Soh, you have it backwards. The insight is not conceived, as it is the absence of a conceiving mind. That conceiving consciousness is inactive in rigpa. The description comes later as attempts are made at describing the indescribable ... Do you think all Thrangu, Tulku Urgyen's , Longchenpa's descriptions of "changeless", "pure awareness" etc. are "errors" in their views?
    November 23, 2013 at 8:02pm · Like
    Jackson Peterson There is no "I am". That is an imputation. There is no "one", that too is an imputation.
    November 23, 2013 at 8:04pm · Like
    Jackson Peterson Thrangu Rinpoche commenting on Lama Ganshar;

    "This is why we just rest right in the nature of mind as it is. The dharma nature is unchanging. When the great meditators of the past meditated on it, they saw that we do not need to alter it in any way. We just need to come to thoroughly know the dharma nature as it is. When we see that, this is the mind that we call clear and expansive, vivid and awake."
    November 23, 2013 at 8:29pm · Like
    Soh Btw y r u seeing stages?
    November 23, 2013 at 9:33pm · Like
    Jackson Peterson No stages, all "stages" are purely imputed diversity, conceptual constructions. Stages are like a stairway made of clouds floating in the empty sky. The one walking upward on the stairway is also a cloud formation. The stairs and the one walking ever higher are empty conceptual constructions floating in ever present Dharmakaya rigpa. Every step along the way is as empty as the previous. All empty!
    November 23, 2013 at 9:39pm · Like
    Soh All empty? What abt DharmaKaya?
    November 23, 2013 at 10:06pm · Like
    Jackson Peterson Dharmakaya is empty, reification is empty , imputation is empty, self is empty, "things" are empty, all is "empty, luminously formative and self-knowing vividness".
    November 23, 2013 at 11:11pm · Like
    Jackson Peterson Sogyal Rinpoche:

    "The purpose of meditation is to awaken in us the sky-like nature of mind and to introduce us to that which we really are, our unchanging pure awareness which underlies the whole of life and death."
    November 23, 2013 at 11:34pm · Like
    Soh Why cling so deeply on pure awareness?
    November 24, 2013 at 12:12am · Like · 1
    Jackson Peterson Soh, when you are "seeing just the seeing" and "hearing just the heard", is your awareness penetrating through and beyond the heard and seen into infinite space revealing the empty and transparent nature of the "seen" and the "heard"?
    November 24, 2013 at 12:31am · Like
    Soh Is this necessary unless one is seeing "something" extra, isn't thought already transparent and empty? Isn't sound already transparent and empty? Aren't dancing sensations already always transparent and empty?
    November 24, 2013 at 12:48am · Like · 2
    Jackson Peterson Yes ! But are they dancing about in a vast and transparent dimension of pure consciousness?
    November 24, 2013 at 1:36am · Like
    Piotr Ludwiński This thread make me sad abt how people are obsessed with concepts.
    November 24, 2013 at 4:32am · Like · 3
    Jackson Peterson Concepts are also the Dharmakaya...
    November 24, 2013 at 8:10am · Like
    Soh No sensations are not dancing about in a vast and transparent dimension of pure consciousness. The vast transparent dimension of pure conscious sensations are dancing about.
    November 24, 2013 at 10:07am · Like · 11
    Din Robinson there is no subject

    just IS
    November 25, 2013 at 7:53am · Unlike · 1
    Din Robinson you know, a little humility can go a long way,

    no one really knows what's going on,

    and that, to me, is the closest to stillness or emptiness, there IS

    when nothing is being claimed (to be true)
    November 25, 2013 at 12:07pm · Like · 1
    Jackson Peterson Nicely expressed Soh!
    November 25, 2013 at 8:26pm · Like

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