Piotr Ludwiński
You think that you liberate
play of luminous form
from "who/what/where/when/how/why" cage
you have yourself created...
But luminous form...
Luminous form
Does not appear on it's own
Does not abide on it's own
Does not cease on it's own
Luminous form
Does not alternate between absence and presence
Neither by it's own power
Nor by power of another luminous form
Does it switch from absence to presence
And again from presence to absence
How could luminous form be pinned down?
How could "it" arise?
How could "it" abide?
How could "it" cease?
By cutting branches
but leaving root in tact
you will never realize suchness
you ignorant fool!
You might have
realized that "seer seeing seen" is mistake
and have seen through
agent and his action
But isn't expression
"it appears here and now"
exactly same mistake
you are repeating again?
You have taken out your hands out of dirt
But why do still you stand on two legs in it?
You might have
seen through universal and invididual agent
but now why do you make
infinite agents as infinite luminous forms?
For luminous form
to alternate between presence and absence
to appear or disappear
is to pin down luminous form as agent who does something
Free yourself from
the seer who sees
Free yourself from
it that appears
Again and again
look at your mind
See that time and space
Are also dreams dependent
on your three-fold dream
of subject, action and object!
~ from me to myself!
Unlike · · January 2 at 4:38am near Kraków, Poland · Edited
You, John Ahn, Jackson Peterson, John Tan and 7 others like this.
John Ahn Ungraspable, unfindable, unknowable, not even a this moment…an ever unfolding mystery of appearances..gone gone gone.
January 2 at 6:14am · Like · 1
John Ahn From perceiver to action, from action to non-activity, each instance an authentication of such recognition: recognition of nonrecognition. All stories ceasing..an ever unwinding of past culminations. Effortlessly released. .
January 2 at 6:20am · Edited · Like
Piotr Ludwiński Piotr Ludwiński
before second probing out three-fold structure and seeing that emptiness is same insight it feels
like when I write posts to ppl
about non-dual immediate
clarity
i really feel that I am describing something
lol
like when I hear colour it really feels like I an pin redness down
hear word "colour"
John Tan
23:41
John Tan
Yes and no need to think but resolved this immediate presence as non-arisen and empty....this pure sounds, pure colors
Piotr Ludwiński
23:41
Piotr Ludwiński
before one notices it is same insight
John Tan
23:41
John Tan
Just resolve and see it as mirage
Piotr Ludwiński
23:42
Piotr Ludwiński
its very frustating playing with differet layers of reification
instead nailing first cause
lol
becoze its like onion and when doing away with one layer another one gets pinned down
and one lands on another objectification
like endless loop
haha
John Tan
23:43
John Tan
Yes precisely!!! Instead of playing with endless deconstructions!
That is what I write also...lol
Piotr Ludwiński
23:44
Piotr Ludwiński
"John Tan They r essentially the same insight Anatta and emptiness of phenomena"
yeah you wrote once taht to me
but i was too busy with my little achievments of deconstructing
to really focus what is meant by this being same insight
lol
January 2 at 6:46am · Like · 5
John Ahn Yeah, deconstructing the very idea of deconstruction and/or construction, for the sense of it having been always and already like that to arise. Great insight piotr! Thanks!
January 2 at 7:38am · Edited · Like · 1
John Ahn Truly nothing to be attained or accomplished...
January 2 at 7:34am · Like · 2
Nicholas Mason "i really feel that I am describing something
lol
like when I hear colour it really feels like I an pin redness down"
Do you feel like you can pin down "this immediate presence as non-arisen and empty....this pure sounds, pure colors"?
January 2 at 7:36am · Like
Tan Jui Horng Piotr what's "second probing out three-fold structure"?
January 2 at 7:48am · Like
Piotr Ludwiński 1st probing out: doer does deed, observer observes observed
January 2 at 7:48am · Like · 1
Piotr Ludwiński 2nd probing out: form appears here/now
January 2 at 7:51am · Edited · Like · 1
Piotr Ludwiński first deconstructing background agent and background activity (seer seeing)... then deconstructing foreground agents and their activities (forms arising/abiding/ceasing)
January 2 at 7:52am · Like · 1
Tan Jui Horng so there's a 3rd probing out right? Since here/now needs to be probed further.
January 2 at 7:53am · Like
Piotr Ludwiński actually temporality and spatiality is already deconstucted to some degree in 1st probing out and it gets totally dissolved in 2nd probing out... at least that is how went for me and few other people here... but one does not necessarily need go this way...
January 2 at 7:54am · Edited · Like
Tan Jui Horng Oh, okay, second probing out probes the statement "form appears here/now"
January 2 at 7:56am · Like
Albert Hong Anatta then the extending of anatta to everything else.
January 2 at 7:56am · Like · 2
Piotr Ludwiński One also does need keen eye to distinguish deconstructing layer of physicality from realizing dharmakaya. I was stuck recently on obsessive deconstructing of physicality lol. Meaning there is different taste of realizing that appearances are dependent arsisings thus non-arisen and it's different taste when deconstructing everything into undivided field of awareness without objects and without time
January 2 at 8:01am · Like
You think that you liberate
play of luminous form
from "who/what/where/when/how/why" cage
you have yourself created...
But luminous form...
Luminous form
Does not appear on it's own
Does not abide on it's own
Does not cease on it's own
Luminous form
Does not alternate between absence and presence
Neither by it's own power
Nor by power of another luminous form
Does it switch from absence to presence
And again from presence to absence
How could luminous form be pinned down?
How could "it" arise?
How could "it" abide?
How could "it" cease?
By cutting branches
but leaving root in tact
you will never realize suchness
you ignorant fool!
You might have
realized that "seer seeing seen" is mistake
and have seen through
agent and his action
But isn't expression
"it appears here and now"
exactly same mistake
you are repeating again?
You have taken out your hands out of dirt
But why do still you stand on two legs in it?
You might have
seen through universal and invididual agent
but now why do you make
infinite agents as infinite luminous forms?
For luminous form
to alternate between presence and absence
to appear or disappear
is to pin down luminous form as agent who does something
Free yourself from
the seer who sees
Free yourself from
it that appears
Again and again
look at your mind
See that time and space
Are also dreams dependent
on your three-fold dream
of subject, action and object!
~ from me to myself!
Unlike · · January 2 at 4:38am near Kraków, Poland · Edited
You, John Ahn, Jackson Peterson, John Tan and 7 others like this.
John Ahn Ungraspable, unfindable, unknowable, not even a this moment…an ever unfolding mystery of appearances..gone gone gone.
January 2 at 6:14am · Like · 1
John Ahn From perceiver to action, from action to non-activity, each instance an authentication of such recognition: recognition of nonrecognition. All stories ceasing..an ever unwinding of past culminations. Effortlessly released. .
January 2 at 6:20am · Edited · Like
Piotr Ludwiński Piotr Ludwiński
before second probing out three-fold structure and seeing that emptiness is same insight it feels
like when I write posts to ppl
about non-dual immediate
clarity
i really feel that I am describing something
lol
like when I hear colour it really feels like I an pin redness down
hear word "colour"
John Tan
23:41
John Tan
Yes and no need to think but resolved this immediate presence as non-arisen and empty....this pure sounds, pure colors
Piotr Ludwiński
23:41
Piotr Ludwiński
before one notices it is same insight
John Tan
23:41
John Tan
Just resolve and see it as mirage
Piotr Ludwiński
23:42
Piotr Ludwiński
its very frustating playing with differet layers of reification
instead nailing first cause
lol
becoze its like onion and when doing away with one layer another one gets pinned down
and one lands on another objectification
like endless loop
haha
John Tan
23:43
John Tan
Yes precisely!!! Instead of playing with endless deconstructions!
That is what I write also...lol
Piotr Ludwiński
23:44
Piotr Ludwiński
"John Tan They r essentially the same insight Anatta and emptiness of phenomena"
yeah you wrote once taht to me
but i was too busy with my little achievments of deconstructing
to really focus what is meant by this being same insight
lol
January 2 at 6:46am · Like · 5
John Ahn Yeah, deconstructing the very idea of deconstruction and/or construction, for the sense of it having been always and already like that to arise. Great insight piotr! Thanks!
January 2 at 7:38am · Edited · Like · 1
John Ahn Truly nothing to be attained or accomplished...
January 2 at 7:34am · Like · 2
Nicholas Mason "i really feel that I am describing something
lol
like when I hear colour it really feels like I an pin redness down"
Do you feel like you can pin down "this immediate presence as non-arisen and empty....this pure sounds, pure colors"?
January 2 at 7:36am · Like
Tan Jui Horng Piotr what's "second probing out three-fold structure"?
January 2 at 7:48am · Like
Piotr Ludwiński 1st probing out: doer does deed, observer observes observed
January 2 at 7:48am · Like · 1
Piotr Ludwiński 2nd probing out: form appears here/now
January 2 at 7:51am · Edited · Like · 1
Piotr Ludwiński first deconstructing background agent and background activity (seer seeing)... then deconstructing foreground agents and their activities (forms arising/abiding/ceasing)
January 2 at 7:52am · Like · 1
Tan Jui Horng so there's a 3rd probing out right? Since here/now needs to be probed further.
January 2 at 7:53am · Like
Piotr Ludwiński actually temporality and spatiality is already deconstucted to some degree in 1st probing out and it gets totally dissolved in 2nd probing out... at least that is how went for me and few other people here... but one does not necessarily need go this way...
January 2 at 7:54am · Edited · Like
Tan Jui Horng Oh, okay, second probing out probes the statement "form appears here/now"
January 2 at 7:56am · Like
Albert Hong Anatta then the extending of anatta to everything else.
January 2 at 7:56am · Like · 2
Piotr Ludwiński One also does need keen eye to distinguish deconstructing layer of physicality from realizing dharmakaya. I was stuck recently on obsessive deconstructing of physicality lol. Meaning there is different taste of realizing that appearances are dependent arsisings thus non-arisen and it's different taste when deconstructing everything into undivided field of awareness without objects and without time
January 2 at 8:01am · Like
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