John Ahn
A lot of people have been posting the link about the holographic universe. But so what? It really makes no difference whether today you believe that and yesterday you believed something else. Maybe just a slightly more open mind. But at the core it really hasn't made a difference.
Like · · December 14, 2013 at 5:34am near Bellevue, WA, United States
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John Ahn All the comments about the universe being this, the universe arising out of that. Come on. We barely understand our own mind and body. But now you know the cosmos.
December 14, 2013 at 5:38am · Edited · Like · 2
Craig Nichols I read a book on this topic called The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot, when I was in high school 20 years ago. Fascinating stuff. Makes you think about things we take for granted, and blows our assumptions away. Not surprised its in the news again. The news articles on the topic seemed pretty dry though. Needs a good science writer to whip up the possibilities and such
December 14, 2013 at 6:16am · Like
John Ahn Yeah I think its good to get our interests going and opening the mind to other possibilities. But usually , at least for me, those flashes of whoa! Come and go and you are just back to where you were with personal stuff. The theory of multidimensions, holograms have been around. So unless I am a quantum physicist who understand the nuts and bolts of what all this entails it just doesn't make much of a difference. But until then this is just all the hype like that book the secret or whatever fueling fantasies and more beliefs.
December 14, 2013 at 6:29am · Like · 2
Joel Rosenblum The holographic universe is the net of Indra... It is real... When you die and dharmakaya is experienced, it all fits together..
December 14, 2013 at 8:06am · Like
John Ahn My point was that whether or not it is real doesn't make much of a difference to one's life unless your work is in that field. If it is experienced, as in, you see directly that this universe is a hologram, then that's fantastic. But generally it's just irrelevant.
December 14, 2013 at 8:10am · Like
John Ahn Maybe it gives a sense of some comfort, like belief in divinity.
December 14, 2013 at 8:13am · Edited · Like · 1
Robert Dominik net of Indra <- Here's something to consider: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/.../indras-net...
Awakening to Reality: Indra's Net Misunderstood
awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com
How can "all the other jewels" reflect anything when there is no inherent jewel ...See More
December 14, 2013 at 8:17am · Like · 1 · Remove Preview
Joel Rosenblum I don't want to overvalue thinking, but if you can use holographic universe stuff to penetrate thru your belief in your individuality, and do so consistently, then I say you have much better chances of actually fully realizing the dharma.
December 14, 2013 at 8:47am · Like
John Ahn Yeah, I agree, it can let you have an open mind, so it's better than having a rigid idea of reality. But realization into say no-self doesn't come via knowledge of the universe being one way or the other. If that was the case, then the realization would be second hand. If tomorrow a group of renowned scientists came along and said you do have a soul, here is what it looks like, here is where it goes, it is eternal, then one's insight into anatta should not crumble. Knowing of anatta isn't second hand knowledge, and neither is the spiritual knowledge we (well, at least me) are seeking. Second hand knowledge is informational and usually relates to the behavior of appearances/objects. Direct knowing or what is sometimes referred to as prajna wisdom is a revelation about the conscious experience. The former is a study into content, and the latter into the nature of how experience is.
December 14, 2013 at 9:20am · Edited · Like · 2
John Ahn Sometimes I imagine how my life would be different if tomorrow I was granted a complete knowledge of how the universe works. (Anyway, lol, many people like to think they have it. They are so certain). Maybe initially it'll change the way I think about things, but in a few days it won't make a difference, just as knowing delicious cake is bad for the arteries doesn't make a difference because of the experience of that taste. My level of perception would be the same. So I guess it's really about perception not knowledge.
December 14, 2013 at 9:30am · Like
John Tan After that, live as life. Encounter and meet situations. There is the perception, the knowledge and the actual living and blossoming of anatta. Walk on!
December 14, 2013 at 10:29am · Unlike · 5
Stian Gudmundsen Høiland A holographic universe cuts at the notion of solidity. I find it's congruent with Buddhadharma.
There is much emphasis on learning and study throughout Buddhism. It's skillful means, like the 4NT and the N8FP.
I speculate that a modern day, westernly-educated World Teacher would actively approve of much of quantum mechanics.
December 14, 2013 at 4:46pm · Like · 1
Albert Hong I read this the other day from a post from TK and I thought of this post.
Quotes from the great horticulturist Alan Chadwick who inspired our work here at Tsogyelgar's White Lotus Farms. These quotes are as good for Dharma practice as for horticulture: (the first two especially!!!)
"The term biodynamics — push it aside, it is verbosity. It doesn’t matter a bit. One has to use words to make headings, that’s all it is. It’s rather like the stupidity in a picture gallery today where you have to write under it what the scene or person is. It is equally as nonsensical as that. Therefore to talk about biodynamic gardening, biodynamic horticulture, biodynamic agriculture and the French intensive system is merely a horrible heading of terminology."
"If you obey the technique to perfection, that technique will become invisible."
“We are the living links in a life force that moves and plays around and through us, binding the deepest soils with the farthest stars.”
"And now, suddenly, this coming up of nature, of the garden, enters your diaphragm and connects again with the cosmic, and your spiritual image is lifted again into a real that no verbosity, no ordinary study through words, through books, can give you."
"It is all a mystery. The grass is grass. It’s a secret. It’s a mystery. You can’t know it. You can’t understand it, and you mustn’t try. Because the moment you try you can’t perceive it. When you stop trying to understand it in words, you will begin to perceive it. You do begin to perceive it."
"There is one rule in the garden that is above all others. You must give to nature more than you take. Obey it, and the earth will provide you in glorious abundance."
December 15, 2013 at 1:52am · Like · 4
A lot of people have been posting the link about the holographic universe. But so what? It really makes no difference whether today you believe that and yesterday you believed something else. Maybe just a slightly more open mind. But at the core it really hasn't made a difference.
Like · · December 14, 2013 at 5:34am near Bellevue, WA, United States
Viorica Doina Neacsu, Greg Goode and Ville Räisänen like this.
John Ahn All the comments about the universe being this, the universe arising out of that. Come on. We barely understand our own mind and body. But now you know the cosmos.
December 14, 2013 at 5:38am · Edited · Like · 2
Craig Nichols I read a book on this topic called The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot, when I was in high school 20 years ago. Fascinating stuff. Makes you think about things we take for granted, and blows our assumptions away. Not surprised its in the news again. The news articles on the topic seemed pretty dry though. Needs a good science writer to whip up the possibilities and such
December 14, 2013 at 6:16am · Like
John Ahn Yeah I think its good to get our interests going and opening the mind to other possibilities. But usually , at least for me, those flashes of whoa! Come and go and you are just back to where you were with personal stuff. The theory of multidimensions, holograms have been around. So unless I am a quantum physicist who understand the nuts and bolts of what all this entails it just doesn't make much of a difference. But until then this is just all the hype like that book the secret or whatever fueling fantasies and more beliefs.
December 14, 2013 at 6:29am · Like · 2
Joel Rosenblum The holographic universe is the net of Indra... It is real... When you die and dharmakaya is experienced, it all fits together..
December 14, 2013 at 8:06am · Like
John Ahn My point was that whether or not it is real doesn't make much of a difference to one's life unless your work is in that field. If it is experienced, as in, you see directly that this universe is a hologram, then that's fantastic. But generally it's just irrelevant.
December 14, 2013 at 8:10am · Like
John Ahn Maybe it gives a sense of some comfort, like belief in divinity.
December 14, 2013 at 8:13am · Edited · Like · 1
Robert Dominik net of Indra <- Here's something to consider: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/.../indras-net...
Awakening to Reality: Indra's Net Misunderstood
awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com
How can "all the other jewels" reflect anything when there is no inherent jewel ...See More
December 14, 2013 at 8:17am · Like · 1 · Remove Preview
Joel Rosenblum I don't want to overvalue thinking, but if you can use holographic universe stuff to penetrate thru your belief in your individuality, and do so consistently, then I say you have much better chances of actually fully realizing the dharma.
December 14, 2013 at 8:47am · Like
John Ahn Yeah, I agree, it can let you have an open mind, so it's better than having a rigid idea of reality. But realization into say no-self doesn't come via knowledge of the universe being one way or the other. If that was the case, then the realization would be second hand. If tomorrow a group of renowned scientists came along and said you do have a soul, here is what it looks like, here is where it goes, it is eternal, then one's insight into anatta should not crumble. Knowing of anatta isn't second hand knowledge, and neither is the spiritual knowledge we (well, at least me) are seeking. Second hand knowledge is informational and usually relates to the behavior of appearances/objects. Direct knowing or what is sometimes referred to as prajna wisdom is a revelation about the conscious experience. The former is a study into content, and the latter into the nature of how experience is.
December 14, 2013 at 9:20am · Edited · Like · 2
John Ahn Sometimes I imagine how my life would be different if tomorrow I was granted a complete knowledge of how the universe works. (Anyway, lol, many people like to think they have it. They are so certain). Maybe initially it'll change the way I think about things, but in a few days it won't make a difference, just as knowing delicious cake is bad for the arteries doesn't make a difference because of the experience of that taste. My level of perception would be the same. So I guess it's really about perception not knowledge.
December 14, 2013 at 9:30am · Like
John Tan After that, live as life. Encounter and meet situations. There is the perception, the knowledge and the actual living and blossoming of anatta. Walk on!
December 14, 2013 at 10:29am · Unlike · 5
Stian Gudmundsen Høiland A holographic universe cuts at the notion of solidity. I find it's congruent with Buddhadharma.
There is much emphasis on learning and study throughout Buddhism. It's skillful means, like the 4NT and the N8FP.
I speculate that a modern day, westernly-educated World Teacher would actively approve of much of quantum mechanics.
December 14, 2013 at 4:46pm · Like · 1
Albert Hong I read this the other day from a post from TK and I thought of this post.
Quotes from the great horticulturist Alan Chadwick who inspired our work here at Tsogyelgar's White Lotus Farms. These quotes are as good for Dharma practice as for horticulture: (the first two especially!!!)
"The term biodynamics — push it aside, it is verbosity. It doesn’t matter a bit. One has to use words to make headings, that’s all it is. It’s rather like the stupidity in a picture gallery today where you have to write under it what the scene or person is. It is equally as nonsensical as that. Therefore to talk about biodynamic gardening, biodynamic horticulture, biodynamic agriculture and the French intensive system is merely a horrible heading of terminology."
"If you obey the technique to perfection, that technique will become invisible."
“We are the living links in a life force that moves and plays around and through us, binding the deepest soils with the farthest stars.”
"And now, suddenly, this coming up of nature, of the garden, enters your diaphragm and connects again with the cosmic, and your spiritual image is lifted again into a real that no verbosity, no ordinary study through words, through books, can give you."
"It is all a mystery. The grass is grass. It’s a secret. It’s a mystery. You can’t know it. You can’t understand it, and you mustn’t try. Because the moment you try you can’t perceive it. When you stop trying to understand it in words, you will begin to perceive it. You do begin to perceive it."
"There is one rule in the garden that is above all others. You must give to nature more than you take. Obey it, and the earth will provide you in glorious abundance."
December 15, 2013 at 1:52am · Like · 4
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