Albert Hong
May 6 · Rochester Hills, MI, United States
These are the views we can place everything. Clarify what views you hold and enact. This will make conversations much smoother. Disregard if you don't want to communicate.
Monism: there is a source. there is only one. Be it god. Consciousness. A reduction to a singularity. Or adding everything together.
Dualism: there is this and there is that. Here and there. Me and you. Subject and object. Subjective and objective.
Eternalism: everything has meaning, a purpose, a plan. The divine plan, or new age conscious evolution. Or singular global evolution.
Nihilism: its all random, meaningless, unreal, a dream. There is no causality or connection between things. You are born from nothing and then you as something die as go back to nothing.
Non-conceptuality: the reduction of all thoughts into an image of the absence of thoughts. Taking a point of clarity as the real in relationship to thoughts, which are unreal. Which basically makes you sound mechanical, boring and predictable. Avoid these people, you're better off talking to a devout christian. Also they will consider this as a non view, free from conceptuality. And use this against any form of communication.
Dependent Origination: when this is, that is. When this isn't, that isn't. Causality and conditions. Free from extremes of everything above.
Views are fun. And we always have them. How we use our views is highly dependent on many factors. Like orientation, desires, traumas, etc.
Enjoy.
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Soh Eternalism is also much vaster than the notion you presented though that is certainly one type of eternalism. The Buddha covers eight types of views of eternalism and partial-eternalism in http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.01.0.bodh.html (also many types of annihilationism etc)
Brahmajala Sutta: The All-embracing Net of Views
www.accesstoinsight.org
1. Thus have I heard. On one occasion the Exalted One was travelling along the h... See More
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Joyce Gillyard Yes, but how important is it that you get it right ?
May 9 at 8:02am · Like · 1
Soh As Albert Hong said, each view will lead to particular results. Some lead to not-so-good results (especially those that act according to the view that actions have no karmic results and there is no afterlife, such nihilistic view according to Buddha leads to rebirth in lower realms). Some lead to somewhat wholesome results - those that believe in wholesome actions and wholesome results and act according to it. These people experience wholesome results and rebirth in higher realms. Then there are views that are not just wholesome but actually liberating. This is the view of Buddhadharma.. seeing dharma dependently originates, is empty, three dharma seals etc. Then there is the difference between direct realization of that view or merely intellectually understanding it.
May 9 at 8:56am · Edited · Like · 1
Soh As Zen writer and speaker Ted Biringer says, "Accurate understanding is not authentic realization. At the same time, authentic realization can hardly be expected to occur without accurate understanding. And while an absence of "right understanding" almost excludes the possibility of authentic realization, the presence of "wrong understanding" excludes even the slimmest hope of success. If we aspire to realize what Zen practice-enlightenment truly is, then, as Dogen says, "We should inquire into it, and we should experience it." To follow his guidance here we will need to understand his view of what "it" is that needs to be inquired into, and who the "we" is that is to do the inquiring."
May 9 at 8:57am · Like · 1
David Vardy The view includes us in it promoting the fiction a point of view is not only important, but a mandate for being someone. What the hell is a person without a point of view?......no one at all.
May 9 at 6:53pm · Like · 1
Soh Venerable Buddhaghosa said in the Visudhimagga:
"Mere suffering is, not any sufferer is found
The deeds exist, but no performer of the deeds:
Nibbana is, but not the man that enters it,
The path is, but no wanderer is to be seen."
...Everywhere, in all the realms of existence, the noble disciple
sees only mental and corporeal phenomena kept going through the
concatenation of causes and effects. No producer of the
volitional act or kamma does he see apart from the kamma, no
recipient of the kamma-result apart from the result. And he is
well aware that wise men are using merely conventional language,
when, with regard to a kammical act, they speak of a doer, or
with regard to a kamma-result, they speak of the recipient of the
result.
No doer of the deeds is found,
No one who ever reaps their fruits;
Empty phenomena roll on:
This only is the correct view.
And while the deeds and their results
Roll on and on, conditioned all,
There is no first beginning found,
Just as it is with seed and tree. ...
No god, no Brahma, can be called
The maker of this wheel of life:
Empty phenomena roll on,
Dependent on conditions all.
May 9 at 7:00pm · Like · 3
David Vardy "No doer of the deeds is found,
No one who ever reaps their fruits;
Empty phenomena roll on:
This only is the correct view.".....which in effect isn't a point of view. It is the view. It's fact, not fiction.
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Soh 'The view' may include the wonderfully real creation/fiction of self in total exertion as one's entire experiential reality or what I call the total exertion of karmic propensities (hence, 'the view' and 'a point of view' are one)... or it may be the total exertion of wisdom, which is the viewless view of luminous-and-empty reflections in total exertion freed of fictions.
May 9 at 8:02pm · Edited · Like · 3
David Vardy and free of friction.
May 10 at 7:30am · Like
May 6 · Rochester Hills, MI, United States
These are the views we can place everything. Clarify what views you hold and enact. This will make conversations much smoother. Disregard if you don't want to communicate.
Monism: there is a source. there is only one. Be it god. Consciousness. A reduction to a singularity. Or adding everything together.
Dualism: there is this and there is that. Here and there. Me and you. Subject and object. Subjective and objective.
Eternalism: everything has meaning, a purpose, a plan. The divine plan, or new age conscious evolution. Or singular global evolution.
Nihilism: its all random, meaningless, unreal, a dream. There is no causality or connection between things. You are born from nothing and then you as something die as go back to nothing.
Non-conceptuality: the reduction of all thoughts into an image of the absence of thoughts. Taking a point of clarity as the real in relationship to thoughts, which are unreal. Which basically makes you sound mechanical, boring and predictable. Avoid these people, you're better off talking to a devout christian. Also they will consider this as a non view, free from conceptuality. And use this against any form of communication.
Dependent Origination: when this is, that is. When this isn't, that isn't. Causality and conditions. Free from extremes of everything above.
Views are fun. And we always have them. How we use our views is highly dependent on many factors. Like orientation, desires, traumas, etc.
Enjoy.
UnlikeUnlike ·
You, Michael Zaurov, Kyle Dixon, John Tan and 5 others like this.
Soh Eternalism is also much vaster than the notion you presented though that is certainly one type of eternalism. The Buddha covers eight types of views of eternalism and partial-eternalism in http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.01.0.bodh.html (also many types of annihilationism etc)
Brahmajala Sutta: The All-embracing Net of Views
www.accesstoinsight.org
1. Thus have I heard. On one occasion the Exalted One was travelling along the h... See More
May 6 at 11:38pm · Edited · Like · 4 · Remove Preview
Joyce Gillyard Yes, but how important is it that you get it right ?
May 9 at 8:02am · Like · 1
Soh As Albert Hong said, each view will lead to particular results. Some lead to not-so-good results (especially those that act according to the view that actions have no karmic results and there is no afterlife, such nihilistic view according to Buddha leads to rebirth in lower realms). Some lead to somewhat wholesome results - those that believe in wholesome actions and wholesome results and act according to it. These people experience wholesome results and rebirth in higher realms. Then there are views that are not just wholesome but actually liberating. This is the view of Buddhadharma.. seeing dharma dependently originates, is empty, three dharma seals etc. Then there is the difference between direct realization of that view or merely intellectually understanding it.
May 9 at 8:56am · Edited · Like · 1
Soh As Zen writer and speaker Ted Biringer says, "Accurate understanding is not authentic realization. At the same time, authentic realization can hardly be expected to occur without accurate understanding. And while an absence of "right understanding" almost excludes the possibility of authentic realization, the presence of "wrong understanding" excludes even the slimmest hope of success. If we aspire to realize what Zen practice-enlightenment truly is, then, as Dogen says, "We should inquire into it, and we should experience it." To follow his guidance here we will need to understand his view of what "it" is that needs to be inquired into, and who the "we" is that is to do the inquiring."
May 9 at 8:57am · Like · 1
David Vardy The view includes us in it promoting the fiction a point of view is not only important, but a mandate for being someone. What the hell is a person without a point of view?......no one at all.
May 9 at 6:53pm · Like · 1
Soh Venerable Buddhaghosa said in the Visudhimagga:
"Mere suffering is, not any sufferer is found
The deeds exist, but no performer of the deeds:
Nibbana is, but not the man that enters it,
The path is, but no wanderer is to be seen."
...Everywhere, in all the realms of existence, the noble disciple
sees only mental and corporeal phenomena kept going through the
concatenation of causes and effects. No producer of the
volitional act or kamma does he see apart from the kamma, no
recipient of the kamma-result apart from the result. And he is
well aware that wise men are using merely conventional language,
when, with regard to a kammical act, they speak of a doer, or
with regard to a kamma-result, they speak of the recipient of the
result.
No doer of the deeds is found,
No one who ever reaps their fruits;
Empty phenomena roll on:
This only is the correct view.
And while the deeds and their results
Roll on and on, conditioned all,
There is no first beginning found,
Just as it is with seed and tree. ...
No god, no Brahma, can be called
The maker of this wheel of life:
Empty phenomena roll on,
Dependent on conditions all.
May 9 at 7:00pm · Like · 3
David Vardy "No doer of the deeds is found,
No one who ever reaps their fruits;
Empty phenomena roll on:
This only is the correct view.".....which in effect isn't a point of view. It is the view. It's fact, not fiction.
May 9 at 7:13pm · Unlike · 3
Soh 'The view' may include the wonderfully real creation/fiction of self in total exertion as one's entire experiential reality or what I call the total exertion of karmic propensities (hence, 'the view' and 'a point of view' are one)... or it may be the total exertion of wisdom, which is the viewless view of luminous-and-empty reflections in total exertion freed of fictions.
May 9 at 8:02pm · Edited · Like · 3
David Vardy and free of friction.
May 10 at 7:30am · Like
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